Madan Ragmi, Political Analyst (Courtesy: Telegraphnepal.com)
TGQ1: How you have been evaluating the current state of Nepali politics? Please tell us as to how the party leaders should have treated the people after the advent of the Republican order in Nepal?
Madan Regmi: Well, we have both positive and negatives sides to it. The political practices that have been taking place after the advent of the Republican order are not a correct one in itself. The structure is itself an incorrect one. There is not even a single constitutional expert housed in the entire Constituent Assembly. The whole practices of the current CA body are not in the prime national interests of the nation. The dwindling conduct of politics of the past four years complicated the politics even more. It created a situation of community-caste conflict, likely disintegration of the nation-state and more so of a dangerous financial slide.
The past four years should have in essence strengthened the people of the country, the nation’s stamina should have gone up but that was not forthcoming. To recall, the nation began taking a downward trend immediately after the signing of the Sugauli Treaty, 1816, on matters of Nepal’s sovereignty, territorial integrity and national independence , which, in other words to explain, did not stop instead it took a further slither over these recent years. These three pillars began visibly to take a downward trend.
Frankly speaking, we have yet not freed ourselves from the clutches of the Indian expansionism and British imperialism. It remains intact. Let me tell you that our motherland Nepal was the single country in the South Asian region which was the most competent and strongest among all the countries in existence then now at the moment remains in the grip of the expansionist India which is nothing more but a creation of the British Imperialism. India’s direct or indirect domineering interference still continues. We are living under such a tragic situation. Now you yourself think of the political situation as to how it could have been?
I told you earlier that after the Treaty of Sugauli, the rulers of Nepal since then, save Jung Bahadur, could not remain loyal and honest towards the national interests and pride. For instance, if, for example, any particular leader is 10 to 20 percent honest for the cause of the nation then yet he is excessively serving the interests of the Expansionists and the Imperialists. In the long and chequered Nepali history, many nationalists did turn up to rule this country but have had to quit the power structure simply because they have had little of support from the population because of the dearth of the presence of the nationalists.
Even as of today, I can’t take the Nepali leaders ruling the country as the real Nepalese. I am forced to take them all, save a few, as the brokers of the foreigners or say alien powers. That is why there is no room or space for the Nepalese to expect something substantial from them to the country and its population.
If anything is to be done and could be done then it is only ‘by the people’. It is also the prime job of the nationalists housed in various parties. Today’s main job for us all is to free this nation from foreign dependence and to restore the lost pride, glory, and the integrity of the nation in order to make Nepal a completely sovereign and independent nation-state. This demands that a sizeable chunk of the nationalists must sacrifice for the accomplishment of this national cause. We must in effect fight a people’s war with the Indian expansionism. Or else, we will be destroyed. However, we have two options left with us either to remain as a second class citizen-slave in our own motherland under the umbrella of the imperialists and the expansionists or save the country by defeating the enemies-the expansionists and the imperialists. This is the time that we must come to a conclusion. Earlier the better.
TGQ2: You talked of expansionism and imperialism, however, there have been talks also now in prevalence for restoring our territories lost after the treaty of Sugauli and the idea of a Greater Nepal is also under discussion which is gaining momentum of late? What say you of these talks?
Madan Regmi: I would prefer to use the word ‘geographical’ in place of ‘greater’ because it would be a fitting expression. When you talk of greater Nepal, it at times may give a message that we want to encroach upon other’s land by extending our territories. All that we have been longing for is the restoration of the lost Nepali territories, for example, Darjeeling, Kumau, Garhwal, Dehradun and the territories around the bank of river Ganges which we lost after signing the treaty of Sugauli. This means that we want to have our land which is in the Indian occupation currently, for example, SIWAN district, the border in between the Ganges and Dehradun, and beginning Gorakhpur to the South of Chiswanghat. And also in addition, the border of then Awadh state which was up to Gomati River is our territory. We just want to have our territories back with us. This could be done as accomplished by China while restoring Hongkong and Macau only recently. We deserve this right even as of today to restore our lost land.
I now tell you a very interesting story based on historical facts.
During the rule of Mahendra Malla, he once traveled to the South of his territory; he constructed a huge Lord Shiva temple near the village of Mehedar which is just five kilometers ahead of Chiswanghat, close to the banks of the river Ganges. He named this Temple as Mahendra Nath and also constructed one huge pond. Each year, people throng to this temple even as of today. It has already become a pilgrim site. In this area, the Nepalese still remain in good strength which is inhabited by the Rais, Limbus, Brahmins, Chettris and also Newars. All these lands in effect belong to Nepal. Question thus again remains as to whether we want to regain our lost lands exhibiting our bravery or sit idle like a coward? Today we have just become like a corpse which is alive only to inhale air. How long should we live with such indignation, foreign dependence and insult? Mind it the Koreans and the Vietnamese chased the Americans from their soil. Cuba is yet another example which stands tall with profound pride and glory. Cuba challenged the United States. They all shed blood in order to preserve the independence and glory of their respective nations.
TGQ3: Comparatively speaking, India is a mighty power. With this in background, how could Nepal fight a war with India to regain our lost territories?
Madan Regmi: To tell you honestly, the country called India is a bogus one. It is just a structure which is the inheritor of the British Imperialism handed over to them by the British. At present, many smaller South Asian which are under the Indian grip were all in an annoyed mood. Some even are protesting against the Indian hegemony. For example, much ahead of the British invasion of South Asia, there were independent States in existence, for example, the Marhattas, the Sikhs, the Tamils, Oddisa, Nagas, Muslims and Bodo. You may have already noticed that it is the single country in the world with two names: India and Bharat. No where one could find this strange phenomenon. They don’t have any common language. The so called Hindi speaking population in India has a very negligible percentage. To recall, the Maha Rastra which is in itself a big country with great strength doesn’t even allow to hang the sign/display boards in Hindi language. If you happen to visit Bengal, Oddisa and Tamilnadu, you will discover that the local population there even do not take themselves as Indian nationals. Nor do they speak the Hindi language. If you go to Andman, Nicobar Island and Goa, the local citizens openly claim that one fine morning they will free themselves from India and become an independent state.
The movement for Sikh Independence is still alive and kicking. Recall, how the Indira Gandhi regime pounced upon the holy shrine of the Sikhs, the Golden temple, and caused damage to the temple and hurt the sentiments of Sikh population which resulted in her own death ultimately.
TGQ4: If it is so then how the Indian nation is still surviving?
Madan Regmi: Some 3 to 4 tactical methods have been brought into practice in order to keep the survival of this nation intact. Those are “exploitation”, criminalization, suppression and corruption and creating divisions among various communities. At the moment, some eighty percent of the Indian population remain below the poverty line. Only 29% of the Indian population gets a chance to have the meal once a day. Each year several hundred of thousands Indian national become the victim of State led violence. The poorest of all perhaps live in this country wherein in the last three decades; the acts of Rape have gone up by 900 percent. Let me now quote one of the distinguished Indian national who was once the Justice serving the Supreme Court of India and who later became the Chairman of the Press Council of India. He was Markandey Katzu (Reuters November 10, 2011). Cutting a joke at the trend of the Indian national newspapers, Katzu had said that the papers in India focus more on the lifestyle of the Indian Cinema actors, write about fashion shows and disseminate news of Cricket plays instead of concentrating their efforts in speaking/writing in favor of the population whose 80% live in appalling poverty, rising unemployment, bearing the brunt of price hike and lack of medical facilities. This does speak as to how the Indian authorities and the papers were in India.
TGQ5: Under the prevailing circumstance, tell us how to restore our lands from Indian occupation?
Madan Regmi: For that we should remain in an alert state. We should then study the whole context. Unfortunately, the attention of the population has got diverted from this issue. We have been forced not to understand our problems and issues. The state authorities in association with the information tools have been making us to feel that we were the most inferior persons on earth. Add to this their cheating exercises. We have some leaders who just would have to utter that Nepal has no existence at all. They at times say that why small nations like Nepal need a military structure at all which has been sandwiched in between two Asian giants? Can we afford war with these giants? In my opinion, these were slaves and fools of the highest order. They have no knowledge of Nepal’s glorious historical past. I would remind you that we-read Nepal-fought wars with these two great powers. We also fought a war with China but we were not defeated by the Chinese. This war finally landed up in a truce and a treaty was signed and the Chinese returned back to their lands. Later we fought two years long war with the United Kingdom which had by then invaded almost half the globe wherein it was stated then that the Sun never sets in the British Empire. We had won at three fronts in this war with the UK. There was no possibility of the British winning over Nepal. The UK had lost its distinguished Generals like Gilespy who had to embrace death at the Nalapani battle. And interestingly, the British soldiers used to avoid meeting the brave Nepali Gorkha soldiers when in small numbers fearing death. Many of their soldiers fled from the battlegrounds. Even the English historians have put in record and have said that “these Nepali Gorkha soldiers are no less brave than our own soldiers. “We used to claim that we were the best soldiers in the world, however, the fact is that these Nepali Gorkha soldiers were the bravest of all in the world”, this is what they have put on record in history. But unfortunately, the soldiers who had already taken over the three fronts miscalculated the strength of the advancing battalion led by Colonel Ochtorlony which coincided with the conspiracies hatched by some eight Royal courtiers which facilitated Gajraj Mishra and Chandra Shekhar Upadhyaya-Dahal to seduce the then King and Queen under a conspiracy which was to force the Nepali Royalty to yield to the British. Even the bravest of all Bhimsen Thapa could not understand this plot. This led even the world acclaimed Nepali fighter, Amar Singh Thapa-the Hannibal of Asia, to sign the insulting and humiliating Sugauli Treaty. This is the first ever case in the history wherein an insulting treaty had to be signed by the soldiers which had captured all the three war fronts and unfortunately have had to be pushed back in a mere front. The English historians too have written about this unfortunate incident which went not in favor of Nepal. Nepal still had the valor and vigor to conquer several Nalapanis, Jaitak, Bharatpur and Devantal and hence there was no need to sign the Treaty of Sugauli. The English historians have written that the British war on Nepal had to be waged simply because she had to exhibit its power influence in the entire South Asia.
Had we the technical knowhow then we would have become one of the major powers in Asia. This is our live history. We are even today the same brave Nepalese who never feared death. The blood remains the same. The only difference has been that the foreign brokers have been making us dependent on others and injecting inferiority complex in our brains.
You just said how to fight to regain our lands. I ask you instead can you show me even a single example whether India has fought any war without sending the Gorkha soldiers in the frontline of the war front? This applies with the British as well. It is a matter of shame to fight for others. This could never be a matter of pride for the Nepalese. We fought several world wars and received victory medals. But those wars which were fought by the Nepalese for others possess no meaning at all. Mind it that the unification efforts made by Yalambar, Anshu Varma, Pratap Malla and Prithivi Narayan Shah have its own kind of values. We belonging to various caste, tribes and ethnicity with differing culture and traditions from across the nation collectively made this nation-state. We thus created a Himali/Nepali culture which was an advanced one. We all remained glued together while forming and running the nation. In this background, we should once again remain in a collective state in order to save the nation. Let’s not talk of splitting the nation instead allowing it to remain in a solid and united form. If we collectively work together and save the nation then we can regain our past glory brought into existence by our ancestors. Lord Buddha was son of this soil. Thus we are committed to peace and concurrently preparing ourselves for a war with the enemy though the effort remains in a dormant state. Mind it that a war is fought not with the weapons but with the courage and valor.
Text courtesy: The Greater Nepal Weekly dated May 18, 2012. Thanks.